Tish Linard – Channel     Jackie Haverty – Asking questions

Channeled Message with Joseph (Jackie’s Guide).

This channel was given 9 years ago in August 2002 and is not the latest. However, it is quite important for understanding our inevitable meeting with our extra-terrestial families on this earth plane.

Topics:

Other Species – Crop Circles – Other Universes – Spirit and Soul – Expectations – and Child Trauma:

Joseph (Jackie’s Guide) does not enter Tish this time as he wants to show Tish the life forms that he had previously inhabited.

Tish:  He’s showing me a form from another planet.

Other Species

Jackie. A different species?

Yes.

Do the other species represent him or something else?

He’s showing me what he has looked like on another planet…He’s actually showing me several different species.
 
So he’s been in different forms on different planets and universe’s before? Does your
Higher Self recognize these forms?

Some of them. The first couple forms.

Yes, keep in mind what those forms look like so you can explain to me later. Why is he showing these forms?

Partly to see that because on this physical plane, humans just expect their guides and  masters to look like themselves. Consequently, when guides work with the human species  they show themselves as humans even though all could have been in other forms in other universes. Our lack of time – linear time as you know it – eliminates all the barriers that you have constructed for yourselves on this planet. The concept of eternity is the only word that comes close because the earth is so restricted in the understanding of time and space. Form is a figment of human imagination as is time. And because you are on this earth plane in this physical body, you accepted the limitations for specific learning purposes. When you shed the physical body and become the energy, the need for form is insignificant. Therefore, some of the shapes and forms that I have represented would be called very foreign. We’re showing these forms to help you understand that our form is insignificant.

I’m asking Tish if she has been in any of these other forms that she’s now seeing?

I have. And I will be again.

Which one will you be…do you know?

I will be the tall one with the two toes.

Where are they from? Do we have a name for them yet on this earth plane?

My vocal cords will only pronounce something like.”Icky”, “Ikcord”’, or “Icour”. That is as close as this physical vocal ability can produce.

Have I also been in other universes or galaxies before, or have I been mainly an earth plane human?

They are showing me a bird creature with wings… like a dinosaur bird.

Could that be from when the earth first began?

No. It’s on another plane, not on the earth. They are intelligent, sentient beings. Not huge as the dinosaurs on earth. We’re searching to make a correlation from the memory banks that are available. It is difficult to explain to souls in earth bodies with conscious mind restrictions, so we will try to make comparisons to creatures on the earth for things on other levels of existence.

Yes, I understand. Is that being that I was still on that particular plane?
Oh yes, there are many there now experiencing life on that plane of existence.

Are they evolving the same as what we are?
It is difficult to comprehend. The soul only evolves. The species appears to evolve, change, create, die out, make genetic changes, but the reality is that the soul is the only thing that is evolving. Each visitation in each universe, and the experiences of each physical body, creates learning and that soul then evolves.

Yes. Is there anything that you want to tell me about this that may be important for me or other people to know?
Yes. The term that you use…Love. That is the form of all energy, all progression, all movement, in all universes, at all times!

I thought some of the beings in other universes could not feel emotions. Is that true or not true? Or is there a difference in feeling the emotion and being the emotion? Or is it even emotion?
What you experience in the physical form on the earth plane… which we call love;  love for a mate, love for a child, love for a friend, love for the world; is constructed, formed, and adheres to the choice made by the earth plane physical body. The emotions that you feel in this earth body cannot be compared to what the sentient being feels in other universes. But that is not to say they don’t feel or don’t try to achieve as much as the physical earth body. They achieve their own physical requirements and desires in a form that is appropriate for their unique choice. Saying that other sentient beings have no emotion is absolutely incorrect. However, if you try to judge those emotions by what is required by the physical body on the earth, then you could say they have no emotions.
The one universal feeling – if you want to call it a feeling, or an emotion, or a drive, or an aspiration – is LOVE. All beings on all planets strive for the completion, the perfection, the development, and the assembling of the things in their lives, and people in their lives, that create the energy of love. That is Universal.
Do all other universes and planets contain both male and female? I don’t imagine they do, but you were saying, in their social structures they also create the energy of love. How do they do that? Is that explainable?
You would have to look at each individual species – which we don’t have time. You would die long before we could get through each one! But the sentient beings that you were in the winged form have no need for the kind of things that give you pleasure on the earth plane. The things that make them happy, complete, are based on their physical and their environmental needs. Are they male and female? Each species has it’s own unique process of physical reproduction. Some require male and female – some do not. Some have evolved to not need reproduction on a combination basis. All I can say is that their relationships – as on the earth plane- with others of their own species, and with other species in their own space, are major contributing factors in the seeking of the lessons and the love that they are gathering and learning. This is not a unique thing for the earth beings. Relationships provide that for a lot of species. Even the species that do not pair one on one, the relationship with the whole species is the ultimate importance. Do you understand that? Not all species take a physical form, therefore, there is not a physical pairing but a unity, like emergence, and that whole that merges is the learning process of that species. The physical beings that are in individual bodies are a separate piece, a separate soul, spirit, but in the species that do not take individual form, the whole creates the relationship.

Crop Circles

Do the crop circles represent a species trying to communicate with us?
It is certainly a communication. It is a testing and a challenge to create interest and expansion of knowledge. The challenge is the understanding. If the human mind is open enough, and the skills, the technology, and the evolution of the human species have progressed to understanding the tests and the challenges, then that particular race that is creating it will know that communication and contact is made.

There seems to be more and more crop circles appearing but it also seems that people are becoming less interested in them for some reason.
There are humans who take it very seriously. There are some of the better minds, some of the better analytical minds and the higher thinking humans that are taking it very seriously and that is what they are looking for. They are looking for that group to understand what is being projected. As that group learns and opens their minds to it, others will learn from them and the specific cellular advancement continues.

I know that there are some great minds that are interested and seeking answers. Of course there’s the opposite as well.
The opposite is not a bad thing. On the earth plane in it’s present form, the skeptic that distrusts and those that challenge, assist in the progression by keeping a balance and by finding the incorrect and pointing it out. And so, always be grateful for those that inspect with a very skeptical attitude for they are saving misunderstandings. They are helping to keep what is pure, pure. They are helping to explore and expose the impure, the incorrect. And those that are creating the incorrect for their own reasons are learning a lesson also. They are learning that what they were seeking, the reaction or the ultimate failure, will not occur because there are always going to be the pure challenges. This is not just crop circles. This is anything that is happening on the earth plane. You should celebrate the skeptics and those that fraud for ego purposes. They do not undermine the purity, rather, they weed out the pollution.
Spirit and Soul

What is the difference between the spirit and the soul? I understand that the soul is connected to, or a part of, All That Is. But what is the spirit then?
The soul is what comes into the human fetus before birth and brings with it the memories of all that it has experienced before. The soul is the memory of all that was and all that will be.
The spirit is a shadow of the energy that comes as the physical body. It grows as the physical body grows with achieved learning. The spirit increases and absorbs the knowledge. The spirit is the energy of the learning, shall we say.  The spirit and soul are connected and yet they have two separate functions. The soul is the purity. The spirit is the energy that absorbs all of what you call emotions and learning. At best, the spirit and the soul leave the body in unison.

What is it that people see after a person dies? Is that the spirit part -  the energy that’s left behind?
Yes, but it is the energy of the body and all that it has learned and all that it has become. And so, if for whatever reason, there is a disharmony in the spirit, it will remain behind until it has found it’s way to go with the soul.

So spirit is a lot like we would consider a ghost then?

Yes. The spirit is the ghost. It is fear holding it back. The fear of going forward or fear of lack of completion. However, it is still bound to that same soul and will rejoin that soul at some point when it is ready to move on, or when it is assisted to move on. The assistance can take the form of prayers from those still in the physical form alive on earth. When those prayers reach the spirit and give the spirit peace and love, then it can go on. There are many ways that those earth bound pieces of who human beings used to be, can progress, but they will all progress eventually. They are all looking to do that. They all want to move on. The confusion they experienced in the human body, and confusion in their soul and spirit because of physical abnormalities, bind some of them to the earth plane. And they are still confused. But even those can move on. You might even say that they are evil spirits …but in reality…it is just confusion with the ego.

So the ego doesn’t die at our death? Does it go on into the spirit? The fear?

The spirit is the sum of all the energy. The energy is created by the emotions, the experiences in the human form – taste, feel, touch, relationships – all of that forms the spirit. And the ego is the controlling part of human existence and is the seat of fear.

Joseph, is it okay to continue these conversations about other species? I have so many questions to ask.
We are here to send what is in your highest and best interest. If you have questions that we would call inappropriate, we would simply not answer them, and then we would challenge why they were asked. We have made ourselves available to those on the earth plane to answer questions that we can give answers to. And this one (Tish) has graciously allowed us to use her as a voice. Questions that are inappropriate would be pointed out. But it is difficult for us to describe inappropriate.  There are so many limitations on the earth plane that you will leave behind someday. Inappropriate is one of those terms you will never understand once you leave it. Understanding and knowledge is never inappropriate. We would never give you information that was not in your highest and best interest. We would never give you any information that would in any way affect your ability to make your free choices. And therefore there will be no inappropriate questions and there would certainly not be any inappropriate answers!

Thank you. I wanted to ask you another question. I read that parts of our soul are living in other universes and in other areas at the same time, and that past, present and future are all now. Is that how it works? Parts of us are all over?
Once again you are trying to understand a question from an earth plane perspective. This is not a bad thing. It is just a physical limitation. All on the earth ..everything…is part of the All. All on every other planet are part of the All. A part of the soul is everywhere as part of the All. Part of your sentient being on the earth plane could not function if it was aware that it was a part of what was going on in another plane, in another species, on another planet! Do you understand the scope of comprehension of that happening simultaneously at the same time?  It would be beyond the limitations of your ability to comprehend as long as you have chosen the physical body. Hence, you embody all the limitations of the physicality of this earth plane that is required within the society that you have chosen. And the same can be said of the other societies that you have chosen in the past and may possibly choose in the future. The need for you to live within the structure that you have chosen in order to learn those chosen lessons is part of your plan before you came to earth. So the comprehension of part of an existence on another level would be beyond your comprehension, and would create confusion. This would really be unnecessary for that which you are experiencing in the here and now on the earth plane. This one has questioned why we choose to leave the All; the Creator; and the total acceptance of the love that we find when we leave the physical body. Why would we choose to experience the struggle and the pain? While you are in that body, experiencing that struggle and pain, your ability to comprehend why anyone would leave perfection for it, is part of the experience of being in that body. Coming home, you will have gained what you chose to gain.

Children and Trauma

What about the children and all the horrible pain and suffering that some go through. It is hard to comprehend why some children would go through that. We have a hard time comprehending why that person is experiencing that, and that the person actually chooses the experience.
Try to understand that the contact and the very thought process of feeling that anguish and that compassion, creates energy that exists in your soul, your spirit, and radiates out and touches those that are in anguish. Your learning is as great for the pity, the compassion, and the empathy that you feel, as theirs is for the experience of the anguish. Everything has balance. It may not appear to be balanced because you feel lucky. Your children will not have to starve to death at six years of age and you did not have to hold them and watch them die. But the fact that you feel the empathy, and the sorrow, and the pity, and the compassion, creates an energy that adds to your spirit as well as theirs. Both are experiencing and creating the energy as part of the All. This is what you call the emotions of the human body. On other planes of existence, they may have the same intensity of experience, but the experiencing may be completely different than what you experience on the earth plane. It doesn’t make their experience any better or yours any better. It’s the All – it’s part of the whole that you carry with you in your soul.

So why do we choose to come here to starve to death or to be horribly abused? What is the reason? To just experience? I know that there is a higher purpose.
In order to experience empathy, you have to experience the opposite. In order to experience feeling lucky, you have to experience the lack of luck, shall we say.

So we have to experience the opposite in order to balance?
No, not as an individual, but as a whole. As a part of the whole. Do you understand?

I’m trying to. I know that other species and other energies are going through the same thing. But as part of the whole, why do we have to go through this to experience, or to be part of the whole?
The trauma, and the strength of emotions created by the trauma, is every bit as strong as the strength of the feelings of empathy and compassion.  It creates the feelings of empathy and increases the empathy on the earth plane.
So the children that are abused or abducted, will increase the empathy on earth?

The intensity, yes. Because of technology, the awareness is rising and that is a good thing. As the awareness raises, the empathy raises. When a child is abducted and it’s on the news, heard by many thousands, hundreds of thousands of mothers, their hearts hurt for that mother, that hurt raises the energy, it raises the empathy. When Hitler killed all of those Jews and the rest of the world finally realized and saw what was happening, the entire energy of the earth increased. Those that are abused, and taken, and hurt, have made that agreement when they come into the earth plane, and they do it in joyousness. Their anguish, their torture, every bad feeling is simply surrounded by joyousness as they leave their bodies, knowing their wonderful mission has been accomplished. They bring such wonderful opportunities to the earth plane with them. They are truly chosen.

I can understand, even with the restrictions on this earth plane, but my emotions just get so carried away.
As it should be. If everyone on the earth plane rejoiced when a child was horribly killed and taken from it’s parents, that would not create an increase in the energy of empathy, and love, and compassion. We are not saying to you, smile, laugh and feel joyous when you see these pictures on the tv. But explore that empathy, explore that pain, explore that outcry of love and wanting to help. That is the energy that raises the energy of the earth plane’s, sentient beings. That energy of love, empathy and compassion should increase.

Jackie : Okay, I think that’s enough for tonight. ( Since  had previously worked in Child Protection, these questions and my emotional response was validated. I am an empath who has been providing an enormous amount of love, empathy, and compassion to the earth through my chosen profession).
Joseph: This one will be happy to explain the scenes that she has seen.

Thank you and goodnight to you, Joseph.
Good night to you as well, Jackie